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i think it is baked into the cake it is the result of election and elections have consequences. but on the wealthy i think the rates go up but with the latest proposal, why see enough to adhere to what was the debt commission in cuts, is too little too late, but, too little, more to the point. >>guest: it is too little. what really has to happen here, you are not going to get a good answer in the next two years. you have the groups going at it and they are not going to get it. we have do wait-and-see what happens in 2014 and there are 33 senate seats up, the democrats have 20, the republicans have 13, there are thine freshman democratic senators, see what happens. if it happened that way in 2010, if we take the senate, obama will then see the light. if you hold his feet to the fire they will feel the heat and see the light. i hope that is how it happens. >>neil: we will see what happens. do you see these? they will ruin your christmas all because unions are not budging and this stuff keeps happening, the "ship" is really going to hit the fan. [ male announcer ] kids grow up in n
i think it is baked into the cake it is the result of election and elections have consequences. but on the wealthy i think the rates go up but with the latest proposal, why see enough to adhere to what was the debt commission in cuts, is too little too late, but, too little, more to the point. >>guest: it is too little. what really has to happen here, you are not going to get a good answer in the next two years. you have the groups going at it and they are not going to get it. we have do...
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you know, we got seven weeks between election day and the end the year. and three of those weeks have been wasted with this nonsense. >> okay. >> it's clear he's not pleased from his ha. is the president in danger of going too far? >> no. i think that everyone is amazed that president obama is pursuing an absolutely normal approach to negotiation. people over the last two years got so accustomed to his strategy of almost preemptive concession, you know, you don't like this, i'll give you more. i'll give you more. what obama did is say look here's what i want. this will solve the problem in my view and by the way we still don't have a recovery that's going quickly enough, we still need to goose the economy some. and the republicans are flabbergasted that he's not already making concessions and all he's asking for is okay guys, you say we don't have to raise the top rate, show me how you're going to do it with all these deductions many of which by the way are popular. you want more medicare cuts show me what you want and i think this is a perfectly normal n
you know, we got seven weeks between election day and the end the year. and three of those weeks have been wasted with this nonsense. >> okay. >> it's clear he's not pleased from his ha. is the president in danger of going too far? >> no. i think that everyone is amazed that president obama is pursuing an absolutely normal approach to negotiation. people over the last two years got so accustomed to his strategy of almost preemptive concession, you know, you don't like this,...
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it as a status quo election. they thought what they had was a huge victory, and they are just -- if you're flying at 35,000 feet, you see the difference between both of them here is babe e boehner is like our margins in the house, you know, we still have a sense of clout. democrats are saying we increased our clout. this offer is meant by boehner to say the first one from geithner was the white house's position was the white house budget. we could have come back with the house gop budget. we're trying to do something that's middle ground. but the white house does not believe it was a status quo election. they believe they were handed a resounding victory. >> absolutely. nbc's luke russert. thanks so much. let's get right to our panel now. msnbc contributor ari melber is with me in the studio, and democratic strategist julian epstein joins us from washington. speaker boehner today hold reporters the president is in la la land. then he presents a counteroffer based on the mythical dynamic scoring system that saves
it as a status quo election. they thought what they had was a huge victory, and they are just -- if you're flying at 35,000 feet, you see the difference between both of them here is babe e boehner is like our margins in the house, you know, we still have a sense of clout. democrats are saying we increased our clout. this offer is meant by boehner to say the first one from geithner was the white house's position was the white house budget. we could have come back with the house gop budget. we're...
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failed them in this last election. they want to pivot and make a rebrand of the republican party. those are the folks that are the deciding votes in the republican caucus, enough to combine with democrats who shorten that margin in the house to get something passed. >> an interesting note, erin. congresswoman bass mentioned another possible strategy from democra democrats. earlier told nancy pelosi tsd if speaker boehner refuses to schedule this for a vote, democrats will introduce a discharge petition it to automatically bring to the floor the senate-passed middle class tax cut. even though congresswoman bass and others have expressed opt mit optimism, when you put them in a corner, there's not a guarantee a deal will be made in the time period needed. >> that's right. something like that would certainly fail in the house because, of course, there is a republican majority there. they would pick off some republicans. i don't think you would get enough for something like that to pass. i just spoke to some democratic aid
failed them in this last election. they want to pivot and make a rebrand of the republican party. those are the folks that are the deciding votes in the republican caucus, enough to combine with democrats who shorten that margin in the house to get something passed. >> an interesting note, erin. congresswoman bass mentioned another possible strategy from democra democrats. earlier told nancy pelosi tsd if speaker boehner refuses to schedule this for a vote, democrats will introduce a...
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let it happen before the election because as you remember, obama would have no chance of getting elected if this happened. so i said, it must happen before. they allowed it to happen after. the democrats now don't care. i think they want to go over the cliff, raise taxes, and that's going to be the end of that. i don't see the republicans having the cards. other than they have a debt ceiling card a month later. and again, that's something that should have happened before the election and if you remember, on your show i was saying, don't let this -- from a negotiating standpoint, this was a total disaster. and by the way, the little girl, i thought it was amazing the way that dolphin released her immediately. when he realized. and i smell lawsuit coming all the way. and i think it's a shame because that dolphin went after the box and obviously released that little girl beautifully. i think the dolphin has to be given credit. >> brian: if you see that dolphin, pet him. >> that dolphin looks pretty good. >> brian: the economy in florida, that's great place, one of the great places to bring
let it happen before the election because as you remember, obama would have no chance of getting elected if this happened. so i said, it must happen before. they allowed it to happen after. the democrats now don't care. i think they want to go over the cliff, raise taxes, and that's going to be the end of that. i don't see the republicans having the cards. other than they have a debt ceiling card a month later. and again, that's something that should have happened before the election and if you...
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a lot of people were not paying attention to it, because we were all absorbed with the election. on october 2, they purchased the facility outside of rockford, illinois. it was first touted and it appears that even though the american people resoundingly said no, and that lindsey graham did not want these crazy tweet on american soil, it looks like what they plan to do. they don't take no for answer. the devil is in the details. it advocates on behalf of the 9/11 families. it outlines the details of this acquisition. and there is language in their that specifically points to the possibility that these detainees will, in fact, be transferred to something like a civilian facility in illinois or someone else be one we did a segment on this at the time. the language certainly keep that open and it is open as an option if they can get congress to deal with this. there was bipartisan options and that is why barack obama has said that we are not going to fund it. you can say that you are going to bring these detainees and as long as you want, but we have the power and we are not giving
a lot of people were not paying attention to it, because we were all absorbed with the election. on october 2, they purchased the facility outside of rockford, illinois. it was first touted and it appears that even though the american people resoundingly said no, and that lindsey graham did not want these crazy tweet on american soil, it looks like what they plan to do. they don't take no for answer. the devil is in the details. it advocates on behalf of the 9/11 families. it outlines the...
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it would coincide with south korea's presidential elections. take a look at the latest satellite photo of the launch site. south korean news agencies reporting the first stage of the rocket has been put in place. martha: we've been watching the aerial videos over the course of the last week to see changes and movement in them. greg palkot joins me live from london. greg, what do we know about this? >> reporter: north korea confirming over the weekend what we told you about on friday it is set to lawn of another rocket in the coming days. according to south korean military sources now that the first stage is set up northwest of pongyang another two stages could be assembled and fueling taken care of in three to four days for a launch window ready to set up on december 10th. north korea says it is for peaceful purposes. they want to put up a satellite. they worry it could be a the launch of missile with a long range payload. they tried this in april. we were there. they failed. the path. rocket this time is supposed to be about the same. it will
it would coincide with south korea's presidential elections. take a look at the latest satellite photo of the launch site. south korean news agencies reporting the first stage of the rocket has been put in place. martha: we've been watching the aerial videos over the course of the last week to see changes and movement in them. greg palkot joins me live from london. greg, what do we know about this? >> reporter: north korea confirming over the weekend what we told you about on friday it is...
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. >> elections have consequences. the president campaigned, made it very clear. made very clear thathe was supporting tax cuts for the middle-class, that he wanted the expiration of the tax cuts for the high end. >> very little progress among the inside player so far, the president plans to keep pressuring republicans from the outside. meeting with the nation's governors on tuesday and then addressing the business roundtable on wednesday. lou: thank you. ed henry, fox news chief white house correspondent. joining me now, a pulitzer prize-nning journalist, campaign strategists, former reagan political director of, veteran democrac campaign strategists. we thank you all for being here. let's tun, if i may, to you. this is an impasse, a stal i'm going to be the one who raises taxes, but you're going to be the ones to cut medicare. if u want cuts in entitlements, but the mob. i'm not going to do bothfor you. lou: here is a thought. that is, the obama white house has made a rare mistake, miscalculation. they have incentivized republicans to say, you know, the heck wit
. >> elections have consequences. the president campaigned, made it very clear. made very clear thathe was supporting tax cuts for the middle-class, that he wanted the expiration of the tax cuts for the high end. >> very little progress among the inside player so far, the president plans to keep pressuring republicans from the outside. meeting with the nation's governors on tuesday and then addressing the business roundtable on wednesday. lou: thank you. ed henry, fox news chief...
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which got him elected after all. saying, this is my wish list, this is in a perfect world, this is what i would do. i don't think anyone at the white house expected the republicans to say, oh, thank you mr. president, yes, this looks lovely. let's go on and work on a deal. no, that's not what it was. the white house -- this is alfonse gaston a little bit here. and so they're waiting for the republican response. and what they're really talking about, brooke, is getting some kind of a first step. a down payment. ironically they all know what -- in the big picture needs to be done. they know you have to fix entitlements, do something on the tax side, but they're trying to figure out how to get from here to there. >> and let's just stop there, because let's say the white house now presented a here. how long do we have to wait for the republicans to come forward with the there? >> well, i think what we're going to end up with probably is a smaller here that gets us to something that they're going to need to work on in the
which got him elected after all. saying, this is my wish list, this is in a perfect world, this is what i would do. i don't think anyone at the white house expected the republicans to say, oh, thank you mr. president, yes, this looks lovely. let's go on and work on a deal. no, that's not what it was. the white house -- this is alfonse gaston a little bit here. and so they're waiting for the republican response. and what they're really talking about, brooke, is getting some kind of a first step....
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i think republicans and to win elections in the future. >> now, erin, during this election, you covered governor romney a lot and now washington post tells us that he's in seclusion. according to "the washington post," i'm quoting them, he devours news from 2600 miles away in washington, shaking his head and wondering what if. yet friends insist romney is not bitter. erin, i'm just getting your react as somebody that covered him a lot. how do you read his new self-imposed seclusion? >> not surprising at all. this is a man who has just spent the last six years of his life running for president and towards the end of that campaign and john kerry was upset and al gore upset and mitt romney is just taking a breather and he may not have a big voice within the republican party and he might have a big voice on certain issues in the years to come. >> well, just as a point of information, i think al gore had a different view of the 2000 election but, anyway, let me go back to you, kristen. the gop's response to the election was all over the place but 25% of republicans want their state to succee
i think republicans and to win elections in the future. >> now, erin, during this election, you covered governor romney a lot and now washington post tells us that he's in seclusion. according to "the washington post," i'm quoting them, he devours news from 2600 miles away in washington, shaking his head and wondering what if. yet friends insist romney is not bitter. erin, i'm just getting your react as somebody that covered him a lot. how do you read his new self-imposed...
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. >>> i think they won the election. they must have forgotten that republicans continue to hold the majority in the house. but, you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground, and we need to find it quickly. >> good morning. it's monday, december the 3rd here in new york city. the christmas tree all lit up. with us on set, msnbc contributor mike barnicle, pulitzer prize-winnering historian jon meacham, author of "thomas jefferson." "fortune's" assistant managing editor leigh gallagher and political analyst, former chairman of the rnc, michael steele. and i'm willie geist. joe and mika have the day off today. there's so much to talk about, but we do have to begin with the ties, if we could. it's not just mike. mike's getting all the focus here this morning, and that is inexcusable. >> could i just say, in the words of speaker john boehner, we need to find common ground here, and we need to do it quick. >> there ain't going to be any between these two ties, my
. >>> i think they won the election. they must have forgotten that republicans continue to hold the majority in the house. but, you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground, and we need to find it quickly. >> good morning. it's monday, december the 3rd here in new york city. the christmas tree all lit up. with us on set, msnbc contributor mike barnicle, pulitzer prize-winnering historian jon meacham, author of...
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i think there is still a widespread belief following the german elections that debt burden is going down in the official sector, just a matter of how much. >> gina sanchez, this is live tv of course. good to have you back up and running. we have climbed the wall of worry many, many times. quite often when we climb that wall of worry we miss out on gains. is there something different this time around? are the worries justified or are we going to miss out? >> well, generally our view is that we're going to get to the end of the fiscal cliff with a resolution but that it is going to be turbulent up until that point. and so we're probably going to climb a wall of worry there. i think the issue on europe though is one that we basically -- i agree with brian, we've put europe to the back burner and probably some time at the second half of next year it is going to crop back up as an issue. but you could see, for example, the sort of classic january bounce or we think actually fiscal cliff could be pushed into january by the time they actually finally get a resolution. kicking the can may be a c
i think there is still a widespread belief following the german elections that debt burden is going down in the official sector, just a matter of how much. >> gina sanchez, this is live tv of course. good to have you back up and running. we have climbed the wall of worry many, many times. quite often when we climb that wall of worry we miss out on gains. is there something different this time around? are the worries justified or are we going to miss out? >> well, generally our view...
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we just had an election. raising taxes on the wealthy, as he calls people who make over $200,000 a year. he won the election. they have a mandate. >> the republicans have a lot of leverage. the president wants to have a successful second term. if he allows us to fall off the fiscal cliff that we could fall into a very deep recession. >> if he allows us to fall over the fiscal cliff, and i think they are making that point. >> i believe grover norquist. they should get the media cameras in their. stuart: let's get more on this. we have a special guest joining us. he should have been on varney & company many times. >> i hope this is the first of many appearances. great to be with you this morning. i am kind of in a foul mood this morning. i am going to say something. the three of you are going -- if the republicans just gave the president what he wants on these taxes, low, in the end, the taxes are going up. we still have a trillion dollar deficit. this does not solve anything. at best, even if they raise the mo
we just had an election. raising taxes on the wealthy, as he calls people who make over $200,000 a year. he won the election. they have a mandate. >> the republicans have a lot of leverage. the president wants to have a successful second term. if he allows us to fall off the fiscal cliff that we could fall into a very deep recession. >> if he allows us to fall over the fiscal cliff, and i think they are making that point. >> i believe grover norquist. they should get the media...
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doing precisely that. >> got through the election on social issues. on the economy, i think it's pretty clear that nobody voted for four more years of the current economy. four more years to get his house in order and he's not going to get his house in order using the red herring of taxes when it's entitlemen entitlements. it just isn't going to work, simon. >> i get it. i'm just pointing out -- >> you know what, let's take jobless claims. >> i get it. >> over the last three days, jobless claims to sustain that renewal again which i think is a bad idea, that's 30 to $35 billion a year. i heard many democrats say that's a small amount, why shouldn't we do that? that's about halfway to the total amount they're talking about taxes. but whent's that, it's small. but when it's the 70 to $80 billion am toortized over ten years, all of a sudden it's big. i'm not saying don't raise taxes. if i signed the pledge, i would do it for good reasons. i haven't seen a good reason. i haven't seen a plan that promotes the big guy in the room. >> see you in the next hou
doing precisely that. >> got through the election on social issues. on the economy, i think it's pretty clear that nobody voted for four more years of the current economy. four more years to get his house in order and he's not going to get his house in order using the red herring of taxes when it's entitlemen entitlements. it just isn't going to work, simon. >> i get it. i'm just pointing out -- >> you know what, let's take jobless claims. >> i get it. >> over the...
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the election. >> the iphone. and then i'd go kim kardashian. then i would go -- >> oh, my gosh, have eye seen the list? >> no i haven't. am i right? >> you are absolutely right! [ cheers and applause ] >> come here, sam. >> thank you. thank you. that is great. >> that's never going to happen again. >> no, we don't normally have a news story topping the list. this is only the third time in the 12 years we've been compiling the list that we've had a news story at the top. so very good. kim kardashian, she's actually the top-searched person of the year on yahoo! in 2012. a couple of new additions. kate upton never made the list before. she's generated a lot of attention from the "sports illustrated" cover. >> well that was some cover. i'm sure everybody was trying to see that. >> yeah. >> we thank you so much for coming. >> oh, thank you! [ cheers and applause ] >> as the show gets more and more popular with america, you can buy more expensive props. for more go to yahoo!.com. >> to the boards, one or two things. the weather boards. your twitter o
the election. >> the iphone. and then i'd go kim kardashian. then i would go -- >> oh, my gosh, have eye seen the list? >> no i haven't. am i right? >> you are absolutely right! [ cheers and applause ] >> come here, sam. >> thank you. thank you. that is great. >> that's never going to happen again. >> no, we don't normally have a news story topping the list. this is only the third time in the 12 years we've been compiling the list that we've had a...
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that's why the day after the election i tried to speed this process up by making a concession to put revenues on the table. it's unfortunate that the white house has spent three weeks doing basically nothing. >> speaker boehner added he is flabbergasted by the administration's proposals while secretary geithner said he believes a deal can be reached by the end of the year. >>> we could find out this morning if the supreme court will take up the issue of same-sex marriage. at 9:30 eastern, the court releases its orders list. there's a possibility justices will hear cases that challenge the federal defense of marriage act or california's proposition 8, which defines marriage as strictly between a man and a woman. >>> an evacuation order remains in effect this morning in louisiana as authorities rush to secure more than 6 million pounds of improperly stored gunpowder. the m6 powder was found on property leased by explo systems. an operation is underway to move that powder to underground storage facilities on the site. so far 1 million pounds has been safely stored, enough to fill 27 18-
that's why the day after the election i tried to speed this process up by making a concession to put revenues on the table. it's unfortunate that the white house has spent three weeks doing basically nothing. >> speaker boehner added he is flabbergasted by the administration's proposals while secretary geithner said he believes a deal can be reached by the end of the year. >>> we could find out this morning if the supreme court will take up the issue of same-sex marriage. at 9:30...